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Author:  unconfused [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:04 pm ]
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In this fast moving world the surface rules everything,,, it takes time and effort to wake up and dig beneath the headlines like the Chomsky's do,,,, should you spend your time decoding the big lie...or despising the cruel template we celebrate that encourages mass malnutritions?,,, why should anything matter beyond the surface if people don't want it?,,, why should music be about anything?,, there will always be another party and another girl with a zima and another pink cell phone and another phat beat to dial up on yr satellite radio and take you away from any flash feelings of sensing that the universe may not really give a shit about you...
...everybody talks about the modern situation,, everybody's whining about the kids and how they don't 'get it',, ...but what do those people get exactly?... we're all trapped in being just another 'in my day' guy... how can you be fair to youth?,, how can you avoid the temptations of bitterness when you witness the totally spiritually aimless confusions running rampant in the streets?... what about the other old cliche about how it's really all about youth? (ie. young movements, hippies/hardcore/rebellion etc)... let's check the first thing on pitchfork tv today: ... er-anticon

is this music? or just more sound signifying nothing that suggest more functionless fashion nihilism... I think there's a lot of days where most people (like me) can't tell anymore... and this seems to be an acute confusion for people trying to sell music that aren't making it
...commercials for diesel jeans will look like this in a month... this is a symptom of a culture of immense boredom taking itself for a brief and bogus ride (and then you die) 10-4

Author:  i the sam [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:01 pm ]
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I believe that we (the whole planet of us) are in a transitional period. Not just in music, society, consumption, culture and everything that is attached, but a transition towards the next step in the right direction. Weather it'll happen in the next 40 years or the next 400 years, who knows.

I'm kinda excited about it either way.

This is what our universe looks like (without the distortion of time) from the perspective of a computer simulation...

Kinda incredible.

Not sure if here or now is the place to delve more into that strange realm of the "singularity" or any other such science doodily.. but fun to touch on either way.

Author:  Eschaton [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:02 pm ]
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Society is sort of in a perpetual state of iconoclasm. The older generation watches the things they themselves cultured and helped grow die alongside them. It turns out to be mostly values. I don't know why our condition is so unsatisfying. I suspect it's because people are afraid to relate to each other, in any deeply intimate sense. Try to talk to someone about how you "feel" and watch how much nervous laughter it incites. We know there's a problem, but we're not sure what it is, and if we did, is there even a solution?

What were you intending to do when you started this book?

I wanted to do something sad. I'd done some funny stuff and some heavy, intellectual stuff, but I'd never done anything sad. And I wanted it not to have a single main character. The other banality would be: I wanted to do something real American, about what it's like to live in America around the millennium.

And what is that like?

There's something particularly sad about it, something that doesn't have very much to do with physical circumstances, or the economy, or any of the stuff that gets talked about in the news. It's more like a stomach-level sadness. I see it in myself and my friends in different ways. It manifests itself as a kind of lostness. Whether it's unique to our generation I really don't know.

--Salon interview with David Foster Wallace

Author:  unconfused [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:24 pm ]
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Author:  Eschaton [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:55 pm ]
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But why is it that we feel the need to give ourselves away to something? Why do we need fulfillment so badly? I think it's beyond the scope of psychology or even philosophy. It's such an inner-most thing, trying to understand how even you yourself feel about every single instance of being and consciousness, how could you ever understand even the smallest part of someone else? Love might have something to do with it, but I don't think we've adequately defined it, though poets and songwriters have been trying to for millenniums.

Author:  i the sam [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:09 pm ]
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Author:  i the sam [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:56 am ]
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Also this is kinda in the same realm as the picture that I posted earlier + your mention of your friend talking about the internet being an example of this new connectivity...

Fractals are fun:

This is a data visualization image of the internet...looks kinda familiar:

This is the root system of mycelium:

These are neurons:

Science is fun.
I think I take solace and optimism from the aesthetics of these similarly-shaped, self-organized systems. I try to throw these ideas, mysteries, and potentials for optimism, into whatever song or drawing I create.
However all my songs and drawings seem to communicate some kind of pessimism...
funny that.

Author:  Mtt [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:39 am ]
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i don't really see the harm in this Tobacco character. the music may be one dimensional and continue the same shtick throughout most of his work and black moth super rainbow's but to say its stuff like this that is sucking the life out of music may be a little harsh. i just can't see this guy taking off and becoming that next big thing to worry about you know. from what i can tell he is just playing into the culture that was already created before him. this form may be less noble and true, but music, and art for that matter, will never become a realm inhabited only by the good. the cliché and the negative i think are necessary to provide some kind of scope as to where we sit and where we are heading. guys like this will never stop playing with their computers. the girl talks of the world are here to stay and with great public demand. i say let them have their distractions. maybe i'm missing how this affects legitimate attempts at truth and good but even with all these distractions there will still be those who follow a different path. its the audiences loss if they miss out because they are too busy following some regurgitated beat and hook. i understand if the market is saturated by one trick ponies legit artist take a back seat if they don't play ball. But this rejection is exactly what i find endearing and incredibly relevant. i can't see a perfect world ever happening so i've just come to terms with how the machine works. maybe thats apathetic but i just see it as realistic.

Author:  unconfused [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:17 am ]
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Author:  unconfused [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:09 pm ]
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